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Engineering leveling guide 1-300

19 steps from 1 to 300 on Forever's own skill-up points (build 1.60.1.70790). Up to 225 the route uses the recipes players leveled with on the beta, starting each one as soon as trainers teach it; past 225 it takes the cheapest skill-ups the client has.

Route
19 steps, 491 crafts from 1 to 300
Starts with
Rough Blasting Powder, then Handful of Copper Bolts
Finishes with
Thorium Tube
Changed from Classic
The Classic route's recipes keep their skill-up points
New in Forever
77 recipes
Artisan
Skill 200 and character level 35

Where to train Engineering

Any Engineering trainer teaches Apprentice, with no level requirement.

RankLearn fromWhere
Journeymanskill 50, level 10NoggOrgrimmar 76.0, 25.4Franklin LloydUndercity 75.4, 73.0Lilliam SparkspindleStormwind City 54.8, 7.8Trixie QuikswitchIronforge 67.4, 43.2Finbus GeargrindDuskwood 77.4, 48.4
Expertskill 125, level 20, 50 silverRoxxikOrgrimmar 76.2, 25.2HordeSpringspindle FizzlegearIronforge 68.2, 43.4Alliance
Artisanskill 200, level 35Buzzek BracketswingTanaris 52.2, 27.4

Alliance

Starting zoneClosest trainer
Elwynn ForestHumanNone in this zone. Sprite JumpsprocketStormwind City 54.6, 8.0in the Dwarven District in Stormwind City
Dun MoroghDwarf, GnomeBronk GuzzlegearDun Morogh 50.2, 50.4at Steelgrill's Depot
TeldrassilNight ElfNone in this zone. Jenna LemkenilliDarkshore 38.3, 41.1in Auberdine in Darkshore
Zephras IsleSkyborneStrange Hermitin Shadowgale Forest

Horde

Starting zoneClosest trainer
DurotarOrc, TrollMukdrakDurotar 52.2, 40.8in Razor Hill, near the forge next to the road to Orgrimmar
MulgoreTaurenThundOrgrimmar 76.0, 24.1in Orgrimmar instead
Tirisfal GladesUndeadNone in this zone. Graham Van TalenUndercity 75.2, 72.4in the Rogues' Quarter in Undercity
Zephras IsleSkyborneStrange Hermitin Shadowgale Forest

Maps

Every trainer and vendor above on its zone map. Gold pins train, red pins sell.

Stormwind City map1234

Stormwind City

  1. Lilliam Sparkspindle Teaches Journeyman
  2. Sprite Jumpsprocket Trainer
  3. Ben Trias Sells Refreshing Spring Water
  4. Billibub Cogspinner Sells Coarse Blasting Powder
Ironforge map12345

Ironforge

  1. Jemma Quikswitch Trainer
  2. Springspindle Fizzlegear Teaches Expert
  3. Trixie Quikswitch Teaches Journeyman
  4. Bryllia Ironbrand Sells Refreshing Spring Water
  5. Gearcutter Cogspinner Sells Coarse Blasting Powder
Darnassus map1

Darnassus

  1. Dendrythis Sells Refreshing Spring Water
Orgrimmar map12345

Orgrimmar

  1. Nogg Teaches Journeyman
  2. Roxxik Teaches Expert
  3. Thund Trainer
  4. Asoran Sells Refreshing Spring Water
  5. Sovik Sells Coarse Blasting Powder
Undercity map1234

Undercity

  1. Franklin Lloyd Teaches Journeyman
  2. Graham Van Talen Trainer
  3. Eleanor Rusk Sells Refreshing Spring Water
  4. Elizabeth Van Talen Sells Coarse Blasting Powder
Thunder Bluff map1

Thunder Bluff

  1. Innkeeper Pala Sells Refreshing Spring Water
Dun Morogh map12

Dun Morogh

  1. Bronk Guzzlegear Trainer
  2. Loslor Rudge Sells Coarse Blasting Powder
Durotar map1

Durotar

  1. Mukdrak Trainer
Darkshore map1

Darkshore

  1. Jenna Lemkenilli Trainer
Duskwood map1

Duskwood

  1. Finbus Geargrind Teaches Journeyman
Tanaris map1

Tanaris

  1. Buzzek Bracketswing Teaches Artisan
The Barrens map1

The Barrens

  1. Gagsprocket Sells Coarse Blasting Powder

Shopping list

Everything the route below uses, 491 crafts in all. Products the route makes and later steps use are already subtracted.

Gathered or bought from players

320Solid Stone296Mithril Bar232Steel Bar117Thorium Bar108Bronze Bar59Copper Bar54Wool Cloth50Rough Stone46Medium Leather38Linen Cloth34Mageweave Cloth31Silver Bar30Dense Stone27Heavy Stone27Runecloth25Coarse Stone14Coarse Blasting Powder10Rugged Leather10Thorium Widget

Sold by vendors

5Refreshing Spring Water

Where to buy

Up to three vendors for each faction, capitals first, then the starting zones. Limited stock means the vendor only restocks a few at a time.

ItemAllianceHorde
Refreshing Spring Water
Ben TriasStormwind City 60.4, 63.4Bryllia IronbrandIronforge 39.0, 73.4DendrythisDarnassus 33.8, 15.6and 84 moreAsoranOrgrimmar 46.0, 40.4Eleanor RuskUndercity 68.2, 48.4Innkeeper PalaThunder Bluff 45.4, 63.4and 76 more
Coarse Blasting Powder
Billibub CogspinnerStormwind City 55.2, 7.4limited stockGearcutter CogspinnerIronforge 67.8, 43.0limited stockLoslor RudgeDun Morogh 50.0, 49.4limited stockand 9 moreSovikOrgrimmar 75.5, 25.4limited stockElizabeth Van TalenUndercity 75.4, 73.4limited stockGagsprocketThe Barrens 62.6, 36.3limited stockand 5 more

You make these along the way

Counted as raw goods above. Making them early can also cover some of the first skill points.

139Solid Blasting Powder139 crafts17Mithril Casing17 crafts21Unstable Trigger21 crafts21Solid Blasting Powder21 crafts

Engineering 1-300 route

Each step shows where its recipe turns yellow, green and grey in Forever. Yellow always gives a point; the chance falls to nothing by grey. Craft counts are the expected number at those odds, rounded up.

0 of 19 steps ticked.

Still to make: about 491 crafts

What the unticked steps ahead use, including bars, bolts and other parts made in earlier steps.

232Steel Bar224Mithril Bar139Solid Blasting Powder117Thorium Bar108Bronze Bar68Mithril Casing59Copper Bar54Wool Cloth50Rough Stone50Rough Blasting Powder46Medium Leather39Coarse Blasting Powder38Linen Cloth34Unstable Trigger31Silver Bar30Dense Stone27Heavy Stone27Runecloth25Handful of Copper Bolts25Coarse Stone15Dense Blasting Powder13Mageweave Cloth10Thorium Widget10Rugged Leather5Refreshing Spring Water

Apprentice Engineeringskill 1-75, any trainer, no level requirement

  1. 1-361203040

    50x Rough Blasting Powder

    50Rough Stone

    Keep the Rough Blasting Powder: Rough Copper Bomb at 56 uses them.

  2. 36-5630455260

    28x Handful of Copper Bolts

    28Copper Bar

    Needs Blacksmith Hammer in your bags.

    Keep the Handful of Copper Bolts: Rough Copper Bomb at 56 uses them.

  3. 56-7551607590

    25x Rough Copper Bomb (makes 50)

    25Copper Bar25Handful of Copper Bolts25 from earlier50Rough Blasting Powder50 from earlier25Linen Cloth

    Needs Blacksmith Hammer in your bags.

Journeyman Engineeringskill 75-150, learn from skill 50 at character level 10

  1. 75-9375859095

    25x Coarse Blasting Powder

    25Coarse Stone

    Keep the Coarse Blasting Powder: Coarse Dynamite at 93 uses them.

  2. 93-1009097105

    13x Coarse Dynamite (makes 26)

    39Coarse Blasting Powder25 from earlier13Linen Cloth
  3. 100-125100110125140

    31x Silver Contact (makes 155)

    31Silver Bar
  4. 125-140125135145

    27x Heavy Blasting Powder

    27Heavy Stone
  5. 140-145125150175

    8x Whirring Bronze Gizmo

    16Bronze Bar8Wool Cloth6Copper Bar

    Make one Arclight Spanner first: these recipes need it in your bags. Its reagents are included above.

  6. 145-175145170195

    46x Bronze Framework

    92Bronze Bar46Medium Leather46Wool Cloth

    Learn Expert before you pass 150: it needs skill 125 and character level 20. Crafting past 150 without it gives no points.

Expert Engineeringskill 150-225, learn from skill 125 at character level 20

  1. 175-206175195215

    58x Gyromatic Micro-Adjustor

    232Steel Bar

    Needs Blacksmith Hammer in your bags.

  2. 206-215200220240

    13x Unstable Trigger

    13Mithril Bar13Mageweave Cloth13Solid Blasting Powder

    Needs Blacksmith Hammer and Arclight Spanner in your bags.

    Keep the Unstable Trigger: Hi-Explosive Bomb at 244, Hi-Explosive Bomb at 244 use them.

  3. 215-244215235255

    51x Mithril Casing

    153Mithril Bar

    Needs Blacksmith Hammer and Arclight Spanner in your bags.

    Keep the Mithril Casing: Hi-Explosive Bomb at 244, Hi-Explosive Bomb at 244 use them.

    Learn Artisan before you pass 225: it needs skill 200 and character level 35. Crafting past 225 without it gives no points.

Artisan Engineeringskill 225-300, learn from skill 200 at character level 35

  1. 244-250235255275

    9x Hi-Explosive Bomb (makes 36)

    18Mithril Casing18 from earlier9Unstable Trigger9 from earlier18Solid Blasting Powder

    Needs Blacksmith Hammer and Arclight Spanner in your bags.

  2. 250-258250255260

    15x Dense Blasting Powder

    30Dense Stone

    Keep the Dense Blasting Powder: Powerful Seaforium Charge at 276 uses them.

  3. 258-266235255275

    25x Hi-Explosive Bomb (makes 100)

    50Mithril Casing33 from earlier25Unstable Trigger4 from earlier50Solid Blasting Powder

    Needs Blacksmith Hammer and Arclight Spanner in your bags.

  4. 266-276245265285

    29x Mithril Gyro-Shot (makes 5800)

    58Mithril Bar58Solid Blasting Powder

    Needs Blacksmith Hammer in your bags.

  5. 276-280275285295

    5x Powerful Seaforium Charge

    10Thorium Widget15Dense Blasting Powder15 from earlier10Rugged Leather5Refreshing Spring Water

    Learned from Schematic: Powerful Seaforium Charge, sold by a vendor.

  6. 280-295280290300

    27x Thorium Widget

    81Thorium Bar27Runecloth

    Needs Blacksmith Hammer and Arclight Spanner in your bags.

    Learned from Schematic: Thorium Widget, sold by a vendor.

  7. 295-300295305315

    6x Thorium Tube

    36Thorium Bar

    Needs Blacksmith Hammer and Arclight Spanner in your bags.

    Learned from Schematic: Thorium Tube, sold by a vendor.

New Engineering recipes in Forever

77 recipes the Classic client does not have, by the skill where they turn yellow. Most come from recipe items; the route sticks to trainer and vendor recipes until drop sources are confirmed.

Yellow at 0-49 3 recipes
Yellow at 50-99 3 recipes
Yellow at 100-149 10 recipes
Yellow at 150-199 13 recipes
Yellow at 200-249 17 recipes
Yellow at 250-299 12 recipes

Ranks and Legacy

Reaching 150, 225 and 300 for the first time on your account each awards a Legacy point, and the Legacy perk Working Overtime adds up to 20% to your chance of a skill-up. The counts here leave it out. Reagent costs for choosing between recipes use vendor prices, or 4 times the sell price for gathered goods.

Questions

What is the fastest way to level Engineering in WoW Forever?

Start with Rough Blasting Powder (1-36) and follow the 19 steps to Thorium Tube at 295-300, about 491 crafts from 1 to 300.

Where do I learn Expert and Artisan Engineering?

Expert Engineering needs skill 125 and character level 20; Roxxik and Springspindle Fizzlegear teach it. Artisan needs skill 200 and level 35, from Buzzek Bracketswing.